tv The Beat With Ari Melber MSNBC July 26, 2021 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT
thank you for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. "the beat with ari melber" starts now. hi, ari. >> thank you. we have an important show tonight. chairman schiff joins us on the eve of the first january 6th committee's hearing. sometimes we have a new story that echoes an old one. the news tonight is starting to look a lot like last summer if you look around and pay attention. it's looking like other periods where america has been battling this rising covid problem, even when there are available solutions to curb it.
covid is surging today among the unvaccinated. >> this pandemic is spiraling out of control yet again. and it's spiraling out of control because we don't have enough people vaccinated. there is real harm to you. because guess what, more mitigation is coming, whether it's masking or closures or kids having to return to virtual learning. that is coming. >> the u.s. daily case count has more than doubled to 50,000. and people who need hospital care, a sign that they're in a bad covid situation, has surged 58% over the last two weeks alone. these are numbers you need to know. the hardest-hit places are often areas with misinformation problems and low vaccination. florida, alabama, hurting. about 1 out of 3 people are vaccinated in alabama, and the number of people going to the hospital has more than tripled
this month. and there's a story of two pandemics in america during this period of an available vaccine. we have the places with higher vaccine rates that are doing better. and they're quicker to issue onerous rules. new york city will require its workforce to be vaccinated. and the v.a. as well. and overall, just over half the country has at least one dose. dr. fauci stressing that low vaccination rates are causing the deepening covid relapse. >> you'll probably have 100 million unvaccinated people. with that many unvaccinated people going into the fall with the delta variant as efficient as it is in transmitting, we could have a serious problem with a considerable surge of infections. >> this is not a drill.
everyone can make their own choices about their health. but many people are trying to make these choices in a framework of misinformation or outright lies. caregivers note that social media and the media seem to be the main driver for people holding out on the vaccine. i began this report for you just a few minutes ago noting how a surge in covid can feel like an echo of last summer, or moments we've all lived together recently. but the main difference is as obvious as it is tragic. this time, unlike last summer, there is a scientifically sound, widely tested antidote to covid, a vaccine that is widely available in this comparatively rich nation we all live in. but experts say, whatever the wealth that allows vaccines to
be widely available here, something many other parts of the world would crave to get, the experts say we're still poor when it comes to scientific literacy. causing people to reject the one thing that can save them. >> it's like being on the titanic, offering people lifeboats, and having them repeatedly turn you down. >> joined by dr. kavita patel, doctor, it's getting worse, and we're seeing more and more of the public health energy put towards public health messaging. >> yeah, ari. it's unfortunate, but as you showed in some of the clips, we're trying to stave off the very blunt policy, staying at home, restrictions with attendance and indoor gatherings. and we're looking to other
countries to seek out, are we weeks away from peaking? we just don't know because it's a moving calculus. we have a variant with a population that has wide varieties of vaccine timetables. people who were vaccinated as early as december of last year. and may have waning immunity. that's why a booster shot becomes relevant. to people getting vaccinated for the first time today. this is something, you're right. it feels like deja vu to talk about hospitals and surges, but we have as close to a cure as possible in the form of a vaccine. but the messaging is complicated. you are seeing many of us turn against each other, pro-mask mandate, anti-mask mandate. i'm pro-vaccine. anything we can do short of that is mitigation. we just have too many people who are unvaccinated. >> yeah, and, you know, it doesn't have to be this way.
sometimes we say, these are intractable debates, and there are areas with tradeoffs. but we're coming in very nearly last when it comes to having just a basic scientific understanding of the vaccine. which is distinct from someone with the right facts and still doesn't want it. there was a report in "the times," that said the delta variant is a symptom of the bigger threat, which is vaccine refusal. this is what i want to ask you about. america is one of the few countries with enough vaccines at its disposal to protect every resident. but it has one of the highest rights of vaccine hesitance of any nation except russia.
what gives? >> yeah. well, ari, i think what gives is that we have -- it's actually the same thing that has plagued us when we have people who still believe that donald trump is the actual president. we have people who still believe that january 6th was not a terrorist event. people who still believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy. unfortunately, people want this to start with the coronavirus, but it's been happening for decades. we saw entire pockets of neighborhoods in the country who refused the measles vaccine for their children, and started to propagate, through social media, this myth about the association of vaccines and long term health outcomes. we've been fighting this for decades. now we're feeling it in the forefront, because it's affecting literally every person on the planet. and people in other countries are seeing what america is
doing. we're spreading our poor behaviors. even some countries without access are looking and saying, if americans are not taking it, why should we take it? that's the worst thing that can happen when we now can offer in the next six to 12 months vaccines to everyone on the planet. >> that goes right to the heart of it. covid is contagious. but so apparently is ignorance and stupidity. and when i talk about, for example, people who consume other media, i'm talking about them as citizens. they may not be predominantly our viewers, but i'm thinking a little bigger than that, about their well-being and safety. if you look at the poll regarding fox news viewers, percent vaccinated. it's a little meta, but still interesting. at the bottom, 62%. goes up to network news, 79%.
and msnbc, cnn, 83%. so one of the reasons we show this is not just to talk about the press, but about the actual public health reality that whether it's chicken or egg, there are people who either are consuming a certain type of information or are drawn to it because of their pre-held beliefs. but either way, they're not coming up with a factual framework and saying pass, which is fine. because i think people have their own rights. but studies show they're misinformed, they don't understand how safe this is, and thus they're putting themselves and their families at risk. >> yes. and what i appreciate about the numbers you just showed, even compared to a different time period six weeks ago, fox news has held stagnant at the low 60s, but others have jumped five and nine points. with hannity, last week, and everyone is applauding this, no,
no. fox news needs to dedicate the same energy they've put into the misinformation over the last nine months, as hundreds of thousands of people have been choosing not to protect themselves. the only way for this to balance out is to get the misinformation under control. you're right, that does extend to social media. that's what we're seeing on the ground, that's the reason why people are not getting vaccinated. they see one chart, one quote, and they run with it, because it affirms whatever they're already feeling, whatever they're already fearing. so they stick to that, at what cost, though? at the cost of their life, potentially. and so i completely agree with you. this should not be a political matter. this should be about facts and science. but with the regular spread and stream of disinformation over 18, 19 months, since the start of the pandemic, that has eroded
trust, not only in science, but also in government. that's why people are holding out on this vaccine right now. >> yup. i think that's so important. and this is really about people. that's why i mentioned we've been living through it. if you look at the covid patients who have gotten into a tough spot, even this summer, saying wait a minute, maybe i should have gotten this vaccine. phil valentine, a conservative radio host, saying he regrets not being more vehemently for the vaccine. and one doctor saying to late stage covid patients, it's too late to get the vaccine. one mother saying, this is not a hoax. this is real. it is a tragic and sad part of the way we're processing what has already been a tragic and sad period for the world over the last year and a half. these experiences becoming all
too common in america. >> if i could do it all over again, i'd get it. no doubt. i wish people would at least reconsider or listen to what we went through. >> when you have to go on the vent, or you get put in the hospital, or icu, and you get segregated from your family because they can't get to you, that is all the answer that you need on vaccination. >> doctor, i want to give you the final thought here in this segment on that. because we've been covering this for a long time. in journalism, we look at information evidence. in medicine, you do that, with scientific rigor, and also the humanity, the bedside realities. this story makes me think about the difference between knowledge and experience. knowledge is what we gather from public information and other sources, experience is what we
live through. we understand how experience can be a more searing teacher. but what can we do to try to impress upon people that this is not the type of life situation that you need to learn from experience, that you will be far better served taking the knowledge and others' experiences to protect yourself. >> yeah, ari. well said. and i've been trying to take people who have had those experiences and kind of come out of the hospital, young people especially, and actually ask them to kind of be ambassadors themselves and talk to as many people as they can about not only they experiences, but the knowledge that they have gained. i'm not getting anywhere as a physician by just spewing facts to people. you have to do both, almost walk people through the knowledge and the experience. and then the consequences of not acting on that knowledge, or not having that experience. not everyone will be
hospitalized or have an unfortunate outcome. but we need to have people understand the consequences. and we're at the point with mandates, i'm saying your consequence is that you will not be a part of society the way you thought you may be before the pandemic. and sometimes that's the behavior change. it's a lot like counselling patients to stop smoking. it's after they're discharged from a hospitalization. the analogy to that is the re-entry into society. we're sitting here, talking to each other, feeling this emotional psychology, because we've been here before. we need people to understand we don't have to be here again, and actions matter. >> appreciate that. dr. patel, you get the last word. juanita, thanks to you as well. and we have congressman adam
schiff as our special guest tonight. also, a trump ally pleading not guilty in court. but first, chris matthews is here to discuss the changes he's seen in washington and beyond. chris matthews coming up on "the beat." mission control, we are go for launch. ♪♪ t-minus two minutes and counting. ♪♪ um, she's eating the rocket. -copy that, she's eating the rocket. i assume we needed that? [chomping sound] ♪♪ lunchables! built to be eaten. she has eaten the rocket.
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president biden continues to push for a sweeping and expensive agenda. it's an ambitious vision of what he thinks the role of the federal government can be right now, amidst distrust of all kinds of institutions. and we'll be breaking it down with our friend and msnbc host chris matthews. today, biden celebrated the american disabilities act. >> it's a bipartisan bill, a product of passion and compassion, not partisanship. >> it's true. it was -- biden urging that people get vaccinated. but that's where the story turns. both parties who were once united on something that was
based on medical realities. there are disabilities, here's how the government can deal with them. there was some sort of common understanding. but now you have a partisan war on a seemingly simple thing. here's how the virus works, here's how a vaccine can solve it. and the data shows some of this confusion. a recent poll shows the trust in key american institutions dropping ten points in the past decade. overall trust, public schools, religion, the banks, and even, yes, in the middle there, less trust in our medical system. this hostility towards institutions is a real part of our politics now. it's something that many have capitalized on, looking at donald trump's big lie, which turned into the insurrection on january 6th.
everybody has the right to make decisions about their own health and bodies. and as we've noted, this is not exclusively right-wing, either. there are left-wing groups also pushing vaccine hesitance. but looking back at the tape, president obama also had to deal with challenges like swine flu, and distrust by president obama on the right. but it was not controversial at the time when he talked about believing in science. >> an infant in texas has died as a result of this virus. this is obviously a serious situation. serious enough to take the utmost precautions. we know the science, how to prevent it from spreading. if we take the proper steps, we can save lives. as the situation changes, we'll continue to update the public.
we'll block the threats. cyberprotection for every one. malwarebytes ♪ as promised, joining me now is chris matthews. you know him from msnbc, we know him from this "new york times" best-selling book. and you spent time in washington, running for officer, serving as a capitol hill police officer, and so many things have had a front row seat for. and it's great to see you today. thanks for being here. >> thank you, ari. you're great. thank you. >> in our setup, we looked at something you know a lot about,
politics has always been rough and had its clashes, but it seems like the truth problems are getting worse today. your view? >> i think it comes down to numbers. you look at 35% who don't believe in science right now. i hold one person responsible, donald trump. i think he's spread the word that chaos is good. don't trust anybody but me. it's a cult. i mean, if the numbers were 17%, we wouldn't be worried. but this is chaotic because of one person. someone who could go either way has been swayed by trump, hannity, and the rest of them. but after 9/11, you could feel it in the streets of new york, we were united. we saw a common enemy, and faced it down as a country. we're still capable of doing it if we have leaders. i hold trump personally
responsible. when i was 8 or 9 years old, my brother would root for the yankees. and being the number two brother, i had to root for cleveland. but it's this idiotic, if science saying something, trump pretending to be an idiot, he spreads the word, it's okay not to say it's true. but you're entitled to your own views and opinions, but not your own facts. the facts are there. fauci is right, rand paul is wrong. i love that he pointed to him and said, you're the one lying here. it's about time we got down to brass tacks. it's bad news. but, you know, so much of this goes down to the bigger problem in the world, concern about democracy. i have to tell you, i wrote this book about my life. when i came to the really heroic
moments, it was when people were fighting for democracy, at the berlin wall, or in south africa, when apartheid went down, or in northern ireland. they agreed to rule south africa by majority rule, not by whites. and at the berlin wall, they said we want to be able to decide. we just want to have elections. and that's what trump has really lied about. the great fact that he will not bring truth to is, he lost. just like he won in '16. he won. it's hard for a lot of democrats to accept that, but he did win thanks to pennsylvania, wisconsin, and michigan. the same deal because of arizona and the other states in '20. the truth is, he lost, he lied about that. he's not been helpful in getting
the truth out. if he called a press conference tonight and said, we've been lying, but we have to get to the vaccinations. he could be almost like a uso celebrity, he could be the bob hope of vaccinations if he wanted to. but he doesn't want to. he wants chaos, he doesn't want to be a good person. it's clear we're going back to the troubled area we were in last year, and it will take leadership in the right. we have good leadership in the center left from biden and from the left. and center right, even. but we're not getting it from the right. if i could pray for him to do it, i would. but i don't think he's going to do the right thing. >> you talked about the patriotism in the book, from being part of public service and around it, and part of the
patriotism, it puts the hope of democracy far above the reality of daily politics. something that trump and his followers have been able to do is get everyone's frustration with politics and make that the whole thing. there's not even that greater appeal. do you see anyone on the right is able to withstand this? >> you know, everybody on the right is not always wrong. that's obviously true. nikki haley put the flag down, that was a wonderful moment to put down the confederate battle flag. she was a leader. it's possible that someone on the right can do something right. we have people like the governors of the northeastern united states doing the right thing, baker and the others. and i think it's -- they're quite capable of taking
leadership. but donald trump has to do it first. because he can tell that the guys like hannity and the others would go along with them. he's the leader of the pack. i'd like to see him do it. i wish the left would say, you still have a chance to do something right. you can still do this, this one thing. get out there and tell whatever media is available to you, say, please, we can't have 35% of the country unvaccinated. we can live with maybe 15%. get it down to half. he could do that. he couldn't get all the crazies, but i get he could get half of them. because he's responsible. he said, i'm as smart as anybody. i went to penn, wharton, i'm smart. listen to me. he didn't come through and tell the truth. he didn't. anyway, thanks for talking about the book. i really believe in democracy.
i know you do. >> my last question for you, because i've been going through the book, we have some of the photos. so many msnbc viewers know you and cherish you. and they want to know how you're doing. you're doing great. but what were the roles or jobs for you, now that you've had time to reflect. what is the job you're most proud of? police officer, candidate, journalist? that's my final question. >> well, i guess it was the berlin wall. when i was able to go over -- i didn't wait for my editor to send me, i was in the newspapers those days. i just went, the wall is coming down, i'm going. it was a wednesday night in november of 1989. the wall is just starting to open up. some young people were standing at the brandenburg gate, the great divide of the east and
west. a young guy who looked like he was from berkeley in the 1960s. army surplus jacket, long hair. i said, what does freedom mean? he said, talking to you. and he meant was, not me, chris matthews. but talking openly about politics, in a country that has never allowed people to have free expression, at least not when the wall went up. and he meant to do what i did every night and you still do. talking honestly about our feelings and concerns about the country. and he was saying, and a young nurse was saying, we couldn't talk like this three weeks ago. so freedom is precious. we've got it, we got to use it. i worry about a guy like trump, who is basically a cult leader, denying the truth of the election of 2020. and being prepared to keep lying about it, basically indifferent.
he's been vaccinated, and all these other people have. they've been lying about the importance of it. >> a lot of them. >> yeah. >> and tucker, and a lot of the guys over there, they have the vaccinations, and the rules. the rules are good enough to keep them safe while other people suffer. chris, it's great to see you. freedom, you cherish it. chris matthews, the book on the screen, "this country." get it wherever you get your books. up ahead, a legal report on a trump ally surrendering their passport. and the january 6th committee's first hearing is tomorrow. congressman adam shift is on "the beat," next. ♪♪ your together awaits. ♪♪
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after much debate and intrigue, the january 6th committee will hold its first hearing tomorrow. speaker pelosi tapping congressman kinzinger and cheney to join as two republicans to round out the bipartisan committee. they're also critics of donald trump and voted to impeach him over the insurrection. they're facing pushback from the trump wing of their party, including their leader,
mccarthy. >> it's childish. we're getting answers. >> we have important work to do. and i think that's pretty childish. >> that's the pressure on those committee members. meanwhile, america seems far less divided than part of the republican party. 72% of the nation includes people saying there is at least something more to learn about this riot, and many unanswered questions. joining me now, congressman adam schiff, democrat out of california. he will serve on this pivotal january 6th committee. thank you for being here. let's start with the framework of your membership on the committee. how will you be working with the
two republicans the speaker put on the committee, and why is it important to the speaker to make sure there are republicans on the committee, but ones who are in her view committed to the integrity of the probe? >> so far, we've been working seamlessly. ideally, this investigation should be non-partisan. and that's very much how we're approaching it, we all want to get to the truth. we want to provide a thorough, objective report to the american people about what happened on that terrible day. what the knowledge was before that day, why we didn't get reinforcements, and how to protect the country going forward. these are all non-partisan questions, and i think the two republicans are every bit as adamant about getting to the
truth as we are. >> i appreciate what you're saying about facts and evidence not being partisan at all. we've seen photos and videos, and there's also the aspect of what did the president know and when did he know it? which speaks to the role he had in bringing the people to washington, and what to do about what became of the insurrection. >> would you be willing to testify about your conversation with donald trump on january 6th, if you were asked by an outside commission? >> sure. >> are you still prepared to testify? >> my phone call is out there. the question is, you make a phone call after people are in the capitol to advise the president doesn't get to the question of, why were we ill-prepared?
>> he has that evidence being a part of one of the pivotal conversations with then-president trump. do you think his testimony is necessary in this investigation? and if he refuses, will you seek ways to try to compel it? >> i'm not surprised to hear him hedging now. he was willing to make the statements when he didn't think there would be an investigation, when he thought they had successfully killed the first commission that was proposed, part of the negotiations between the democrat chair and republicans. but now he seems to be singing a different tune. but that conversation may very well have had to do with why the capital was so ill-protected. we don't know what the administration knows about the white nationalist groups that were going to participate in the rally, that had pre-planned this attack on the capitol. and we don't know why it took so long to bring in the national
guard and other reinforcements. if that call is relevant, i'm sure we'll seek it. >> how will you distinguish between might be called protected speech around january 6th? for example, some of the republicans who spoke at the rally and talked about not certifying the result. but of course, they technically have that choice to make, that ability to decide whether to certify or not. how do you distinguish between that and the militias, trying to whoever sloppily have some kind of citizen coup? >> our role is to fully uncover the acts. what is it that people did trying to instigate violence, where was the financing for it,
what role did the administration play in it? the decision about whether it's first amendment protected activity or violence directed at the capitol and people in the capitol, those are decisions ultimately made in the justice department deciding who to prosecute. that's not our role in this committee. but it will be our role to lay out in a very objective fashion what role each of those components played in what ended up being that bloody attack on the capitol. >> is there in writing or anywhere a clear sort of framework for where your work begins and ends? for example, we were covering the horrific plan to bomb political headquarters at the democratic party in california that comes out of a context of right-wing hate speech, but far
from january 6th. how will you define those boundaries, and will the public know in real time where your inquiry starts and ends? >> well, we begin with the organizing documents. the legislation establishing the january 6th select committee will be the paramount guide. but now that we're constituted, we'll sit down and map out, what is the scope, what is defined by the statute? as we learn more, that scope may expand because there are things related to january 6th. but the focus is january 6th. the focus, you know, also is in preventing this from happening again, to the degree that other things are relevant to that, they'll be relevant. but there is plenty to uncover about what took place that day. we'll have more than our plate full with that. but we intend to follow the evidence where it leads, and be
guided by the language of the statute. >> final question, congressman. i know it's early yet. but we always want to ask these questions because it's important and interesting. the 9/11 commission was seen as a high water mark of some of this, as you mentioned earlier, parts of it were quite non-partisan, getting through the evidence. and it provided a framework for some policy changes. the church committee came out of allegations of government misconduct and led to reforms to surveillance. given your experience here, do you see any avenues where you might hope to not only find facts, but you can provide some non-partisan framework for things to be improved? when you put some of the republican lies to the side, i would hope that most americans look at this and say, anything reasonable that can prevent anything like this from happening again, would be worth considering. >> absolutely. and that's really the goal, to
write a report that has credibility with the american people, and recommendations that we can get by and for and implement like the 9/11 commission. but we're in a much more polarized country, information is balkanized. so it will be more difficult than in the past, but we'll just have to work harder at it. protecting the country is what this is all about. this was ultimately an attack on the capitol, motivated by people who could not accept losing an election, and made the decision to use violence to achieve a political objective that they couldn't at the ballot box. that danger to our democracy is one we'll have to address. it will be part of the scope of
what we look at, but it's a big, important question for the whole country that we'll have to wrestle with. >> a member of this new commission as well as intelligence chairman, adam schiff. thank you, sir. >> thank you. ahead, we look at a top trump ally getting arraigned today, giving up a passport, can't use a private plane. this is what it looks like when you're actually indicted. pressure building in trump world with more and more individuals indicted. we'll have that and a whole lot more, next. more, next for what we want. and need. and we need more time. so, we want kisqali. living longer is possible and proven with kisqali when taken with fulvestrant or a nonsteroidal aromatase inhibitor in hr+, her2- metastatic breast cancer. kisqali is approved for both pre- and postmenopausal women, and has extended lives in multiple clinical trials. kisqali is a pill that's significantly more effective at delaying disease progression
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district. >> traitor! >> $250 million is a lot of money. >> $250 million is the bond and it speaks to the severity of this case. he was told not to conduct any foreign business transactions. it was a familiar scene for donald trump's associates, and it's not something people should take for granted and think is normal. having this many people connected to the president going into court facing their judgment day for serious federal felonies. i'm joined now by nyu law professor melissa murray. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me.
>> mr. barrack faces some pretty serious charges including adding insult to injury. the feds think they have a pretty strong case for just sitting with him and lying to them about pretty tangible things. how vital was it for him at a hefty price to remain free before trial? >> well, as you said, the $250 million bond was significant, but that, of course, was the price of him going free. it also reflects the fact that he is a person of considerable means. he has access to means of travel, including a private jet. he also has significant foreign ties, and, of course, that's really the crux of what's going on here in this indictment. he's been charged with one count of being an unregistered foreign agent and then another count for conspiracy to be an unregistered foreign agent. then, as you y, these other ancillary charges that really relate to lying to the fbi, obstruction of justice and then four counts of material false
statements. they're really considerable, but again, the fact that the bond is so high suggests that this is someone the court really thought was a flight risk. >> when you look at the trial that he's facing, if i were guessing, this seems like a situation where someone who was willing to plea could get something decent, perhaps avoiding any jail time or something that would be relatively minor based on what we know about those arrangements. by all accounts, he is fighting and he's been a successful business fighter all his life. so he's fighting this to the mat. what would be key to his defense at trial. i imagine that lawyers would really try to get into a juror's head about what it means to be a lobbyist, and if he could really say he hasn't been one and that he hasn't been one prior to his life because that's not his thing, then this was really a mistake other than a sinister crime. >> that's right, did he know that what he was doing qualified
as representing a foreign government, in this case, the united arabemirates? or did he simply think he was just doing what ordinary businessmen do? and that would not be a crime if they could show that he did not have the intent or the knowledge that this was a crime that he was woefully engaging in. that's certainly defense lawyers could bring up, and he certainly has access to a really great team of defense lawyers given his considerable wealth. but, again, some of these other things, i think, are a lot harder to evade. on the material false statement charges, again, you have to show that you did not know you were telling an untruth to the fbi when you were being questioned. that may be harder and a lot will really depend on whether or not a jury buys that this was someone, a savvy businessman who was really sort of well connected in this particular world, did not know exactly what he was doing. he did not know when he was speaking to the authorities that he was telling them false statements. >> right, and whether, as part of the mood music, he thought
that he was so tight with the administration that ran the doj at the time that this was, to him, not a crazy risk to take because he thought he would get away with it, which is something that does unite many criminals from small time to billionaires. again, he is legally presumed innocent until trial. professor murray, thank you, as always. >> thanks for having me. >> thank you. when we come back, a new voice speaking out on justice reform. e speaking out on justic reform ♪ ♪ just two pills for all day pain relief. aleve it, and see what's possible. man, i slept. we gave new zzzquil pure zzzs restorative herbal sleep. to people who were tired of being tired. i've never slept like this before. i've never woken up like this before i feel like doing things... and then doing other things after those things. it's hard to explain, i'm just back
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